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    Post by BM Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:40 pm

    I received this patch from Iraq and was wondering about it.
    I know it is for the First Cav. Div. and the IP is for Iraqi Police.
    Was this patch worn (autorized) or is it a unofficial or novelty patch?
    It is the cut edge variety but doesn't have the backing like most Iraqi made patches.
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    Post by P-E Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:54 am

    definitely unauthorized. and you're right, it looks like an Iraqi made ssi.


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    Post by BM Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:25 am

    Thank you for your reply.
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    Post by kriegsmodell Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:52 am


    Nice patch Bob and I agree, appears to be Iraqi made ....


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    Post by BM Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:42 pm

    kriegsmodell wrote:
    Nice patch Bob and I agree, appears to be Iraqi made ....

    Thank you for the reply.
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    Post by Static line Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:42 pm

    It was probably worn by an Embedded Training Team to build rapport, and it was probably authorized at least at a local command level.  The OIF-2 era was an interesting time for uniform items; between written exceptions to policy and blatant circumvention of AR 670-1 by senior leadership, a lot of things that today are black and white were not quite so back then.

    As an example, take a look at this picture from that era.. No one can debate the patch pictured was unauthorized at the time:  http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2011/post-2582-1301298605.jpg

    The patch you have pictured was probably purchased locally at a FOB 'shopette' or bazaar. The material, construction, and backing is definitely consistent with patches available for purchase and wear in Baghdad from 2004-2005.
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    Post by BM Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:32 pm

    Static line wrote:It was probably worn by an Embedded Training Team to build rapport, and it was probably authorized at least at a local command level.  The OIF-2 era was an interesting time for uniform items; between written exceptions to policy and blatant circumvention of AR 670-1 by senior leadership, a lot of things that today are black and white were not quite so back then.

    As an example, take a look at this picture from that era.. No one can debate the patch pictured was unauthorized at the time:  http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2011/post-2582-1301298605.jpg

    The patch you have pictured was probably purchased locally at a FOB 'shopette' or bazaar. The material, construction, and backing is definitely consistent with patches available for purchase and wear in Baghdad from 2004-2005.

    Thank you for the added information.
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