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    Post by zvez Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:03 pm

    Depressing, but this seller has a whole slew of afghan and iraq patches, all that I looked at are fakes. They've all got characteristic merrowed edge which neither IRaqi nor Afghan patches have.

    Prices not high but $7 or $8 for a fake is too much

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/Militaria-/13956/i.html?item=290681539751&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43adf84ca7&_ssn=shearsandmore

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    Post by Zeked Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:16 pm

    In the description of one of the patches it says you can either sew them on or iron them on. Hopefully nobody will drop some money on them and be disappointed. At least they are selling them as reproductions. Thanks!
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    Post by Mercenary25 Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:31 pm

    Thanks for a head up, Chris!
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    Post by kriegsmodell Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:27 am

    zvez wrote:Depressing, but this seller has a whole slew of afghan and iraq patches, all that I looked at are fakes. They've all got characteristic merrowed edge which neither IRaqi nor Afghan patches have.

    Prices not high but $7 or $8 for a fake is too much

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    Chris,

    Thanks for posting this information and I agree that the patches in question are reproductions of actual "theatre mades". That said, there are genuine theatre made patches from both Iraq and Afghanistan (and other locations) with merrowed edges. Although the merrowed style edge may not be as pronounced or as obvious as the border on US made examples they do exist on theatre made patches. Merrowed type edging on some theatre made patches can be very noticeable. Just a reminder to examine and review the entire construction of any patch or insignia when evaluating for originality and/or location of manufacture. My thoughts only .....



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    "My God, where do we find these men?" - President George H. W. Bush commenting on 1st SFOD-Delta after the Operation Acid Gambit rescue of Kurt Muse.

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    Post by zvez Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:09 pm

    About the merrowed edging. As far as Iraq army insignia goes. they don't have a merrowed edge in the way that US/western patches do, at least not the bulk of the ones I've examined/had, ditto to alot of the IRaqi made coalition force patches (not theatre made which is an important distinction here, as theatre made could be anywhere in the theatre, kuwait, etc..

    The typical merrowed edge as I interpret it is a very heavy almost ropelike edge that rolls around the patch. Now with Iraqi constructed patches, they have what I'll call a "pseudo" merrowed edge, in that the emobroidery does wrap around the edge of the patch it's very sparse and you can see the base fabric of the patch thru the sparse embroidery, very much like a cut edge.

    So, with those caveats, there ya go. Hope I've made some bit of sense.

    I know I tend to drone a bit at times, bear with me! Wink

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    zvez wrote:Depressing, but this seller has a whole slew of afghan and iraq patches, all that I looked at are fakes. They've all got characteristic merrowed edge which neither IRaqi nor Afghan patches have.

    Prices not high but $7 or $8 for a fake is too much

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    Chris,

    Thanks for posting this information and I agree that the patches in question are reproductions of actual "theatre mades". That said, there are genuine theatre made patches from both Iraq and Afghanistan (and other locations) with merrowed edges. Although the merrowed style edge may not be as pronounced or as obvious as the border on US made examples they do exist on theatre made patches. Merrowed type edging on some theatre made patches can be very noticeable. Just a reminder to examine and review the entire construction of any patch or insignia when evaluating for originality and/or location of manufacture. My thoughts only .....

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    Post by rsunday Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:06 am

    Hello
    I want to add a few comments.
    Merrowed edge patches made in Afghanistan become more popular. You can see more of them (newer sewing machines?)
    I saw a few patches made in this way in Kabul - USSF, variants of IJC, NTM-A and others.
    I have enclosed a photo of one patch from 10th SFGA made in Kabul with merrowed edge (removed some part to prevent making fakes).
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    Post by rsunday Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:10 am

    Be aware of another fake maker from Poland.
    His Ebay nickname is OldCapt2000.

    He mainly sells fakes of Polish and US SOF patches from Afghanistan. He ordered many of them in Afghanistan but as a pattern he used photos from other auctions! You can imagine the quality.

    Additionally he sells re-strikes of Polish 6th Airborne Divison patches from 60-70'es (PVC on material) made from geuin dies.
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    Post by JYN Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:42 pm

    rsunday wrote:He mainly sells fakes of Polish and US SOF patches from Afghanistan. He ordered many of them in Afghanistan but as a pattern he used photos from other auctions! You can imagine the quality.
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    Hello Rafal,

    Fakes made in Afghanistan ! Who will tell the difference ? Too bad. Evil or Very Mad

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    Post by kriegsmodell Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:46 pm

    rsunday wrote:Be aware of another fake maker from Poland.
    His Ebay nickname is OldCapt2000.

    He mainly sells fakes of Polish and US SOF patches from Afghanistan. He ordered many of them in Afghanistan but as a pattern he used photos from other auctions! You can imagine the quality.

    Additionally he sells re-strikes of Polish 6th Airborne Divison patches from 60-70'es (PVC on material) made from geuin dies.
    Rafal


    Agree with everything that Rafal has said above. Would add that this "gentleman" has also contacted collectors and asked for to scale digital pics or scans of various patches. In asking, indicates the the pics or scans are needed for a reference article or book. In actuality, the images have been used to produce some relatively convincing reproductions. Be aware!

    Rafal - Nice 10th SFG patch!! Thee are a couple of variations of this piece also .....






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    "My God, where do we find these men?" - President George H. W. Bush commenting on 1st SFOD-Delta after the Operation Acid Gambit rescue of Kurt Muse.

    "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me." - Inscription on the dog tag resting on the flag-draped homeward bound casket of an American Special Opearations warrior killed in action in Afghanistan, July 2005. - Dick Couch - Chosen Soldier

    "Choosing to die resisting rather than live submitting they fled only from dishonor and to meet danger face to face." - Lieutenant General John F. Mulholland Jr, USASOC Fallen Soldiers' Memorial Ceremony, 25 May 2012.
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    Post by rsunday Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:17 pm

    Hello,
    Unfotunatelly.
    The only way is to compare with patches from good source and ... avoid "such" sellers.
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    Post by JYN Thu May 03, 2012 2:07 pm

    Hi,

    More fakes and stolen photos from our forum Evil or Very Mad
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    http://cgi.ebay.fr/COMMANDO-AFGHANISTAN-U-S-Special-Forces-NAVY-SEALs-ANASF-patch-mod-2-/270941321676?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f155c79cc
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    Post by Jim McCauley Thu May 03, 2012 3:07 pm

    I think the fakes have been there for years. When I deployed to Iraq my unit had designed and ordered deployment patches in the United States. I have since seen very poor copies of the same patch being offered as "theater made" patches sold on ebay by a guy with a Kuwait address.

    Bottom line, no member of our unit ever wore a "theater made" deployment patch in theater!

    Funny thing is it sold for over $30 on ebay! confused

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    Post by kriegsmodell Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:03 pm



    Moved from SALE & TRADE to COMMERCIAL/HUNTING/REPRODUCTION & FAKED ITEMS as a more appropriate section for this message.



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    "My God, where do we find these men?" - President George H. W. Bush commenting on 1st SFOD-Delta after the Operation Acid Gambit rescue of Kurt Muse.

    "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me." - Inscription on the dog tag resting on the flag-draped homeward bound casket of an American Special Opearations warrior killed in action in Afghanistan, July 2005. - Dick Couch - Chosen Soldier

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    Post by JYN Wed May 01, 2013 11:44 am

    Hello,

    More reproductions of french patches which I did post on this forum.

    http://cgi.ebay.fr/ELITE-NATO-COALITION-FRENCH-BATTLE-GROUP-WILD-GEESE-at-FOB-SUROBI-AFGHANISTAN-b-/400415614587?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3aa1667b

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