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    Post by Easy Gee on Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:00 am

    Hi Guys.

    I bought this bayonet recently, and when it arrived , I quickly realised it was a fake, probably Chinese or German made, it looks and feels like the real thing...but sadly it isn't..now I have shared my tale of woe with you all, enjoy it ,in all it's fake glory....still it's not all bad, it does look cool with my Alice webbing display. Sad
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    Post by CamoDeafie on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:43 pm

    its not so much a fake, as it is a commercial AR15 bayonet..... since real issue M7s are more desirable and bring more money, people tend to get these for their AR15/M4-geries just to have a complete feel... and you being in the UK, it wouldnt surprise me if the real issue M7 bayos were much harder to come by with the US Ord Dept stamps and contract mfg stamps.
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    Post by Easy Gee on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:28 am

    CamoDeafie wrote:its not so much a fake, as it is a commercial AR15 bayonet..... since real issue M7s are more desirable and bring more money, people tend to get these for their AR15/M4-geries just to have a complete feel... and you being in the UK, it wouldnt surprise me if the real issue M7 bayos were much harder to come by with the US Ord Dept stamps and contract mfg stamps.


    Many thanks for looking and for the confirmation of this bayonet, I had no idea it was a commercial AR15 bayonet, I assumed it was a fake M7!!!

    Your absolutely right the real deal over here are hard to source, they are available just very pricey.

    Thanks again mate, great shared great information Very Happy


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    Post by Blue Devil on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:27 pm

    I'm not agree whit this discussion.The logo MIL-TEC is an acronim of military tecnologies,another brand of most famous Sturm,a big seller in Stuttgard Germany.Some reproduction of firearms and bayonets come from this maker.I have one reproduction of german IIWW trench knife and this is most dangerous.Attention guys!Alan.
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    Post by CamoDeafie on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:56 pm

    Blue Devil wrote:I'm not agree whit this discussion.The logo MIL-TEC is an acronim of military tecnologies,another brand of most famous Sturm,a big seller in Stuttgard Germany.Some reproduction of firearms and bayonets come from this maker.I have one reproduction of german IIWW trench knife and this is most dangerous.Attention guys!Alan.
    here is my question; when it comes to knives/edged weapons and accessories for rifles; what IS the difference between Commercial and Reproduction? after all; it doesn't say Mil-Spec, so one should be careful yes, but I have a cheap multi-tool that has served me very well and a Leatherman Kick that has also served me very well....and yes I realize it is not the same in quality, or finish, BUT..... if the Mil-Tec Commercial bayonet is made with very similar metal and finished differently than the Mil-SPec actual Ontario or similar M7 bayonet, but still works, why is it not good for a display? we are after all; not airsofters who requires the use of authentic things...it is nice to have yes, and if the authentic items are not available, it is up to the owner/user to decide what to use... as a "placeholder" for the authentic item, this bayonet is OK to use. as an item to keep with an AR15 type in case of zombies or whatnot, it is awesome, since its no great loss if it breaks or lose edge or is stolen Wink I myself have seen quite a number of commercial items used when issue items are not available immediately.. oftentimes also when the soldier/marine/troop doesnt have the money to spend on the actual item...I see MANY Mil-tec items at the surplus stores used and abused, as well as brand new, and I do not see much difference in quality versus the Condor items or the VooDOo Tactical, but I'll be honest here, I have not seen a Mil-Tec M7 Bayonet in person, so I don't know if it is significantly different from the issue M7 Bayonet; one thing one should keep in mind is that the military Specifications for the M7 bayonet and M9 among others are public domain and public records; therefore it is entirely possible to get the right metals, finish, parts and make one for public Commercial sales as opposed to actual contract NSN numbered bayonets from accepted sources (Ontario Knives, Camillus, Phrobis, Lancay). Now, trench knives and reproductions of WW1-WW2 items, that is where the big problems come in....but repros of M7 and M9 bayonets, I am not sure, as there are several major companies selling them with AR15 parts kits or on AR15 specific sales websites.. kind of like getting the leather Mauser pouches and items with your Mitchell's Mausers when we do not know if they're authentic or not...
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    Post by P-E on Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:31 am

    Well, what Easy Gee wanted to say, and probably Blue Devil, is that those are well reproduced by Mil-Tec and so it'ld be stupid to pay the full price for one reproduction simply because you didn't know they were reproduced.

    Now, you've right to tell that's sometime it's better to have a good reproduction of an unavailable product for your display. I mean that most of us won't be able to buy one day a real NVG, a real rifle for example. So just for display, why not buying good reproduction ? The real product, you'll simply never find them indeed ; too expensive, illegal,...

    Personaly I realy hate buying reproduction, but when I've no other choice to complete a mannequin, because the items are too illegal to own (like for example a M16) then I've no other choice than buy a reproduction used for Airsoft game. For the display, it still have a nice looking. But I try to avoid it, and so there're only two items I'll accept to buy in reproduction ; the gun and the NVG. The only reason is simply because both are just too expensive and illegal. But so, I'll always tell they are reproduction, and I won't pay the full price for them.

    I think you're discussing two different questions. Just take care when you buy something ; sometime, there're items you didn't suspect at all they are reproduced. This M7 is a good example. The other example I've is my pair of desert boots...you simply buy them as original, and when you receive them you're mad because they are reproductions ! I was personnaly not aware they existed in repro !


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    Post by Blue Devil on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:21 am

    P-E wrote:Well, what Easy Gee wanted to say, and probably Blue Devil, is that those are well reproduced by Mil-Tec and so it'ld be stupid to pay the full price for one reproduction simply because you didn't know they were reproduced.

    Now, you've right to tell that's sometime it's better to have a good reproduction of an unavailable product for your display. I mean that most of us won't be able to buy one day a real NVG, a real rifle for example. So just for display, why not buying good reproduction ? The real product, you'll simply never find them indeed ; too expensive, illegal,...

    Personaly I realy hate buying reproduction, but when I've no other choice to complete a mannequin, because the items are too illegal to own (like for example a M16) then I've no other choice than buy a reproduction used for Airsoft game. For the display, it still have a nice looking. But I try to avoid it, and so there're only two items I'll accept to buy in reproduction ; the gun and the NVG. The only reason is simply because both are just too expensive and illegal. But so, I'll always tell they are reproduction, and I won't pay the full price for them.

    I think you're discussing two different questions. Just take care when you buy something ; sometime, there're items you didn't suspect at all they are reproduced. This M7 is a good example. The other example I've is my pair of desert boots...you simply buy them as original, and when you receive them you're mad because they are reproductions ! I was personnaly not aware they existed in repro !




    I can only quote what you think.If I were to take a knife to maybe use it in camping,then if it is done well would take a copy as well,but never for collection,especially if it costs almost as an original.Regards,Alan.
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    Post by P-E on Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:03 am

    On my opinion, reproductions are good enough only when there's no other alternative. I mean that an original one would be too difficult, definitely too expensive or against the law. The best example to this is a reproduction for a rifle / gun. If you need to complete a mannequin, you cannot buy an original M16 or M60 or I don't know which other weapon. Demilitarized rifle do not exist, or they are definitely too expensive. So the only good alternative to this, to complete your mannequin, is to buy a good reproduction for airsoft I think. The same for NVG even if the reproduction are plastic made, the look is still realy good.

    Now, I totaly exclude other stuff like boots, pouches, uniforms, patches,.... I consider this stuff is less expensive and available, even if we have to wait to get them. I avoid reproduction at all cost. But something this is not only a question of price....there's also the law. But I won't pay the price of a original for a reproduction, that's certain.

    Now, to come back to the original post about the bayonet M7 that Easy Gee bought. Those bayonets are available. I don't know their price, but they are. Easy Gee didn't wanted a reproduction, he was just stolen by the seller who sold a repro for the price of an original one, or he simply forgot to mention that. That's why Easy Gee wanted to make a warning, and so we can thank him. Too bad he was fell into the trap. The victim here is Easy Gee, and he make a friendly advice to everyone here.


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    Post by hink441 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:04 am

    I would say there is no difference between a commercial made bayo and a reproduction bayo. The reason these bayos are the same is because they can be made anyway they want to make them. The commercial/reproduction bayo is not made to military specifications. These reproduction bayos sometimes claim to be made to military specifications, but in all reality, who really knows?? If you like to use them in your displays that is your choice. I don't like them because they have no collector value at all. My humble opinion.

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    Post by P-E on Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:06 am

    hink441 wrote:If you like to use them in your displays that is your choice. I don't like them because they have no collector value at all. My humble opinion.

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    Totally agree with that !


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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:03 pm



    To further clarify my reasoning for posting it here,I bought this in good faith, assuming it was a genuine item, this was from a British web based Militaria company.
    I posted it in a light-hearted warning to others to watch out for Mil-tech and other such faked Military items which appear to be flooding the market, and as a result are a drain on a hard working family man's wallet!

    But saying that I didn't pay over the odds, and given the chance would prefer to own a genuine M-7,like so many people out there I'm not too keen on owning fake pieces and as hink441 correctly pointed out, they hold no collector value at all, but as P-E pointed out sometimes commercial items do fit the bill for display purposes.

    The warning still goes out...WATCH OUT FOR FAKED MIL-TEC items!!!!!!


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