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    Post by kriegsmodell on Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:41 pm



    Wanted to post this here regarding the 6 August 2011 incident in which a CH-47 transporting a QRF of DEVGRU and ANA personnel was downed by a Taliban fired RPG in Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Thirty one brave warriors were lost in this attack, the largest single loss of life in one engagement since the beginning of OEF. in continuing to research this incident, I stumbled upon a contemporary Al Jezeera news report which included video footage the network stated was provided by the Taliban. In the short video the Taliban are seen to be celebrating, singing, shooting rifles into the air, etc. The camera then zooms in on a number of fighters who are seen to be hugging and congratulating each other. Included in this group is the man pictured below who certainly appears to be wearing an ACU top in UCP complete with 1st Infantry Division SSI! I must admit that I was angered (an understatement) by this footage. Below are three screenshot stills from the news video report.

    Note that in the stills you can clearly make out the velcro closures on the cuffs and collar. The sleeve pocket flap and velcro and even the slanted chest pockets and closures are also visible.


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    Post by Nkomo on Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:42 pm

    I can only assume the ACU is captured. Mad Mad
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    Post by JKin on Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:47 pm

    The ACU was most likely stolen off a base IMO.

    But regardless, those shitheads can go get fucked. If those are actually the guys who shoot down the chinook then they are as a matter of fact dead. They were killed in an airstrike several days after the incident.
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    Post by MyZone on Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:46 pm

    The trigger man was killed by US Spec-OPS soon after....I read the reports.

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    Post by JKin on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:09 pm

    The leader of the cell as well as up to 12 of his other goons were killed too.
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    Post by kriegsmodell on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:37 pm



    JKin and MyZone are of course very correct. Within hours (less than 48) of the CH-47 disaster the Taliban fighters including their leader Mullah Mohibullah and the unnamed insurgent who fired the rocket propelled grenade which downed the helicopter were killed by airstrike in a JSOC directed action.

    Although said to be contemporary to the downing of the CH-47 the Al Jezeera video may be file footage portraying other Taliban fighters completely removed from that event. Regardless, I am disturbed by the wearing of our uniform and insignia.




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    Post by kriegsmodell on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:39 pm




    The Pentagon has refused to specify the exact number of Taliban killed indicating only that it was less than ten. I have read the AAR as well.


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    Post by Red_Nek on Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:14 pm

    I know that this might be an unpopular statement but aren't we doing the same when we pick/ capture enemy equipment to augment our own? IMO, the ACU top looks to clean and crisp to have been taken off of a dead soldier, let alone one that had been in a burning aircraft. I think that JKin's comment is probably closer to how old mullah mullah got it. I use to get pissed when I saw stuff like this, until I started looking at it as well played propaganda.

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    Post by gdclark on Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:16 am

    US uniforms are easily obtained in theater. You can go down chicken street or any bazaar and buy every piece of uniform, equipment, footwear that you can find on Bagram. I also think it is a status symbol to wear camo. Early in the war, you could see TB with BDU pattern items, now it is ANA or even CRU or desert style clothing. I would imagine in the 80s there were Muj wearing Russian articles of clothing. I also agree that the uniform looks too new to be taken off a dead body, and whose body would it have been taken off of? Certainly not from the Tangi valley raid. patches, nametapes are everywhere in Kabul. I am in country now and buying deadstock from Afghans who used to run patch shops. To me, it boils down to the same thing as those who burn the US flag. Is it unsettling/ Sure. But I carry my patriotism inside so seeing a guy with a US uniform on doesn't bother me. In the same way that watching John Wayne movies where the Indians are wearing calvary gear doesn't bother me. It is just an article of clothing.
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    Post by msmith275 on Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:18 pm

    Hi Lance - thanks for posting. It's important to remember that all these little bits of cloth and gear represent real people, who have done amazing things with their lives. Each patch or piece of webbing has a human story of service. To me, collecting is about telling those stories. Good on ya brother! Mark
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    Post by kriegsmodell on Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:40 am


    msmith275 wrote:Hi Lance - thanks for posting. It's important to remember that all these little bits of cloth and gear represent real people, who have done amazing things with their lives. Each patch or piece of webbing has a human story of service.  To me, collecting is about telling those stories. Good on ya brother!  Mark


    Thanks Mark,

    Like to think that as collectors we are historians first. I certainly try to be. These things do have meaning. In many cases deep meaning. Hopefully we can be proper caretakers of this history and not lose sight of the sacrifices that so many have made. There is more to be said for preserving this history than mere accumulation or as an investment. My thoughts only .....


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    "My God, where do we find these men?" - President George H. W. Bush commenting on 1st SFOD-Delta after the Operation Acid Gambit rescue of Kurt Muse.

    "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me." - Inscription on the dog tag resting on the flag-draped homeward bound casket of an American Special Opearations warrior killed in action in Afghanistan, July 2005. - Dick Couch - Chosen Soldier

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