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    A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:27 am

    Stopped by the local flea market this afternoon to sell our old lawnmower. Ended up spotting a civilian canteen from a distance, and what looked like some East German field gear. I'm not an EG collector, so I initially walked past, but later decided to take a second look. Upon closer inspection, the bag appeared to be marked with Arabic writing, and the canteen was also...well...special. Inside the bag, a full set of what appears to be Iraqi field gear. I'll post in-depth pictures of the set, and hopefully the experts can tell me if it's worth taking up space in the house.





    As mentioned previously, the bag is marked on the front, as well as on the 'name tag' spot on back. Tried to get it to come out in the pics, but this bag looks to have been strapped to the side of someone's vehicle for a long time in the sun - it's very, very faded, and doesn't want to come out on film...


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    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:33 am

    On top, two items which I assume are some sort of pack roll. Any ideas?




    All of the blue-gray colored items carry the same tag; 'Made in Jordan'. Initially concerning, online searches found the following information; "Throughout the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, Jordan supported Iraq politically and especially economically. Indeed, Jordan's port of Aqaba and its overland trucking routes became Iraq's main supply line throughout the eight years of that war. In return, Jordan received oil from Iraq at prices far below market value."



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    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:39 am

    A second unidentified piece of gear, only one of these. Again marked F.T.C. Made in Jordan, with some very specific hardware.



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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:45 am

    Now getting into some of the more interesting bits. The canteen which I thought was commercial was initially stuck in the carrier. Pulling back on the cover, I could see a large bright sticker on the side of the flask. Once I got it home, I confirmed a generally poor quality of construction and no other markings.





    The carrier is very, very cheaply made. The belt loop appears to be held on at each end by only a thin single row of stitching, and best of all check out those snaps - Luigi Parko! These snaps appear to belong on counterfeit jeans more than military field gear.



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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:47 am

    What *almost* looks like a set of M56 US-issue suspenders came next. What are the additional snaps for?



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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:50 am

    Two AK47 ammunition pouches were also included. Stopping by an OEF-I vet's house, the comment made was that this was certainly Iraqi gear, and that the loop on the side of these pouches was actually for a spike bayonet. This particular detail makes no sense - any more info out there?




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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:53 am

    Two pistol belts, one US style and one British P37 pattern. Pretty sure the dark blue belt is confirmed Iraqi, with a similar ebay auction from a few months back described as: "Iraqi Air Force pistol belt. Deos not have the eagle buckle, just the typical metal buckle. Very dirty very worn. Found at Habaniyah Air Base in the Anbar Provence."



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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:00 am

    A US map of Baghdad was one of the last bits at the bottom of the bag...





    And finally, one of the neatest parts. An Iraqi Army Building Sign. One of the local surplus stores has one of these, however theirs is small, blue, and came off of someone's house. This sign is aluminum, OD green, and has the Iraqi Army property mark. Speaking with another OEF-I vet, some guys were pulling these off buildings as souvenirs. Also included was a binder sleeve with a handful of dinars...just to top it off.




    Finally...all the field gear laid out. Not bad for an afternoon's work, and selling the lawnmower more than paid the price of this set. Now I just need to take care of the grass...

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    Post by taucco on Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:04 am

    this is a copy of the british pattern 58 webbing (middle east militaries among others were using it), it seems you have the suspenders, kidney pouches, poncho roll, field pack, ammo pouches, belt. Canteen pouch seems to be a copy of the arly '44 webbing, these snaps are typical of iraqi manufacture (as well as afghan).

    You should search for a manual of the british one to assemble it. snaps on the suspenders are meant to secure a non folding entrenching tool, with handle down the spine.

    The ammunition pouch holds a bayonet + scabbard. i think it is a normal bayonet, not a spike one.
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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by P-E on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:36 am

    squirrely wrote:[...]Stopping by an OEF-I vet's house, [...]

    I assumed you wanted to say they were found in Iraq by a vet ? If so, when you speak of "OEF-I", this mean Operation Enduring Freedom - I, in other word the first year of Afghan war (2001-2002) and not the Iraq war (= Operation Iraqi Freedom). Both conflicts are part of the GWOT (Global war on terrorism), but they are two different battles.

    squirrely wrote:And finally, one of the neatest parts. An Iraqi Army Building Sign. One of the local surplus stores has one of these, however theirs is small, blue, and came off of someone's house. This sign is aluminum, OD green, and has the Iraqi Army property mark. Speaking with another OEF-I vet, some guys were pulling these off buildings as souvenirs. Also included was a binder sleeve with a handful of dinars...just to top it off.



    The "Iraqi Army Building sign", as you call it, is an Iraqi Army License plate. They were very popular as souvenir. I just searched a good picture of a Saddam-era army vehicle to show you, but I didn't though it was so difficult to find one...Here's one I found, sadly this is a little bit too small to see perfectly the license plate :



    In Iraq under Saddam, there were different license plates depending on your status :
    - Government members had blue license plate with white letters
    - "common citizen" / personnal has white license plate with black letters
    - taxi cabs and buses had red license plates with white letters
    - construction vehicles has a kind of yellow / tan plate with black letters
    - imported vehicles (before 2003) has green license plate with white letters
    - imported vehicles (after 2003) has black license plate with white letters.


    (source : http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/1IDguide.pdf)

    "The symbol, found on all Iraqi military equipment and aircraft, is a stylized letter JIM inside a triangle - the letter JIM is the first letter in the Arabic word for army, JAYSH"

    (source for both picture and comment : http://francona.com/travels/iraq/)


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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by nkomo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:32 am

    VERY nice score, sir. Your blue Iraqi Pattern 58 gear is indeed Air Force and much more uncommon than the standard green Army version.

    The license plate is great too. As P-E said, they were a popular item that soldiers brought back as a souvenir.
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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by Mercenary25 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:40 am

    Great find!

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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by squirrely on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:30 pm

    I assumed you wanted to say they were found in Iraq by a vet ? If so, when you speak of "OEF-I", this mean Operation Enduring Freedom - I, in other word the first year of Afghan war (2001-2002) and not the Iraq war (= Operation Iraqi Freedom). Both conflicts are part of the GWOT (Global war on terrorism), but they are two different battles.

    Yes! I've spent so much effort collecting OEF I mistyped last night out of habit... Thank you so much for the information on the license plate!

    Of course, this is just more proof that typing late at night can be a bad idea. This afternoon I finally searched "Iraqi Air Force gear":
    http://oefoif.forumotion.net/t4074-iraqi-air-force-web-gear

    Can anyone make out what the name tag says?
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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by MyZone on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:48 pm

    Nice flea market find....very cool.
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    Re: A mixed bag

    Post by Ben on Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:38 pm

    Pretty cool finds!


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