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    58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:44 pm

    Hi Guys.

    Here is a 58 Pattern webbing kit from my collection.

    This would have been in use, alongside the earlier Olive green PLCE during
    Op Granby/Desert Storm.

    Thanks to Rob for prompting the old grey cells on this one Wink

    Enjoy!!!






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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by ladrang on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:49 pm

    Hi easy gee, It looks like to my old 82 pattern webbing kit (canada). It s very cool but where is your canteen cover?? Do you have one??

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    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:53 pm

    And finally I thought I would share with you ,the contents of one of the Pouches....no ammo or anything...just an old Yorkie Bar!!!!

    BTW-There's four squares left if anyone's interested lol!





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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:59 pm

    ladrang wrote:Hi easy gee, It looks like to my old 82 pattern webbing kit (canada). It s very cool but where is your canteen cover?? Do you have one??



    Hiya Mate.

    Sadly this webbing is incomplete Sad !!!!!

    Looking at this webbing,it very old school looking,compared to modern webbing, the large pack is mine though, the rest has been put together over the years Wink


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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by ladrang on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:03 pm

    Ok what parts are missing?? I will show you mine soon,

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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:24 pm

    Hi Ladrang.

    Very Sorry I misread your earlier post Mate, the water bottle pouch is on the belt fourth in from the left,but I am missing the poncho roll ,which hang's down from the kidney pouches, and that's about it for this set up. Embarassed

    For Complete Equipment Fighting Order (CEFO) 58 pattern webbing consisted of a waist belt, yoke, 2 kidney pouches, water bottle pouch,x 2 ammunition pouches and a cape carrier,or poncho roll as I prefer to call it.

    For Complete Equipment Marching Order (CEMO) the webbing had all the above , plus the large pack.

    I would be very interested to see the Canadian version,to see if there are similarities with this set up.


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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by Easy Gee on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:39 pm

    Just Googled this info re: 58 pattern webbing Wink

    1958 pattern webbing was a modular based personal equipment system issued to the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom from the 1950s up until the mid 80s. It replaced the 1937 Pattern Web Equipment that had served the UK's Armed Forces through the Second World War and the first decade of the cold war. It was in turn gradually replaced in the 1990s by the current issue '90 Pattern Personal Load Carrying Equipment(PLCE), though today it can still be seen in use by the UK's Cadet Forces.


    Components
    A general issue of 58 pattern webbing consisted of a Belt, Yoke, Ammunition Pouches (left and right), Water Bottle and Pouch, Large Pack, two Kidney Pouches and a poncho roll. The were a number of ancillary pouches for specialist tasks, e.g pistol holster, compass pouch.

    The equipment was worn in a series of combinations. Weapon Training Order (or Skeleton Webbing) consisted of Belt, Yoke and Ammunition pouches. Complete Equipment Fighting Order (CEFO), was the term used for the full webbing system and once the Large Pack was attached, it became Complete Equipment Marching Order (CEMO).

    Over the course of its service, there were a number of developments and modifications. When the system was originally designed, little scope was given to Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare and when this was addressed, the system gained a respirator haversack to house the then issue S6 NBC Respirator. The were a number of ancillary pouches for specialist tasks, e.g pistol holster, compass pouch.


    Problems
    When originally issued, the system was a huge improvement over its predecessor, offering a larger amount of equipment and ammunition to be carried in greater comfort. However by the 1970s, certain disadvantages with the system had started to become apparent. This was especially evident when compared to other nation's webbing systems, such as the United States All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment.

    The main problems with 58 pattern webbing were that it was uncomfortable, heavy and shrank when it got wet, and difficult to decontaminate after exposure to chemical agents. The buckle system on the pouches were also not very effective as the kidney pouches at the back continuously came undone.

    The issue Large Pack soon gained the reputation of being worse than useless and incapable of carrying the equipment required. Many instead chose to use a privately purchased civilian Bergen instead. By the end of the 1980s, the large pack was an item rarely seen outside training depots.

    The Pattern in its original form became impractical as time went on and this was evident in the amount of customisation that prevailed in the British Armed Forces, beginning in the late 1970s and continuing till it was eventually withdrawn from use in the 1990s. This varied from unit to unit and was largely dependent on its Standard Operating Procedures.

    Common modifications included mounting the Poncho Roll on top of the Kidney Pouches rather than its usual location. Also common was to remove the clip on back of the yoke for the issue shovel, mainly because it made wearing the Large Pack or any Bergen uncomfortable. Another common adaptation was to remove the rear Kidney Pouches and instead replace them with three Ammunition or Water Bottle pouches. Many individual soldiers, in an attempt to stop excessive movement of pouches whilst running tied bungees round the system terminating at each ammunition pouch to keep the webbing tight together.


    Current uses
    The system was still on issue to Support Arms during the 1991 Gulf War but over the next two years it was fully withdrawn from use by the Regular and Reserve Forces.

    58 Pattern is held in stores by a number of County Cadet Forces to replace aging stocks of 37 Pattern webbing which were still on issue in the late 1990s. The belt in particular seems to survive as an unofficial form of dress (replacing the general issue Working Belt) by older soldiers when worn with Combat 95 clothing.

    THIS MIGHT BE OF INTEREST LADRANG Wink

    For the Canadian Military, patterns discontinued in 1993 when they became "Generations." The last known Canadian pattern on the Market was known as (and is still used today even in Afghanistan) the 82 Pattern webbing. Along its highly respected value as a servicable piece of equipment was also the 1964 Pattern Webbing, which was mainly used by the Airborne troops.




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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by mk1rceme on Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:31 pm

    Here is my P82 webbing. First two pics is a complete battle order...minus the bayonet and the entrenching tool which make the webbing too heavy to hang up for display if it's not on a mannequin. All the parts except a couple connecting straps are NOS. The third pic is all my extra pieces plus another set haphazardly slapped together. Just noticed that I forgot to add the thermos and carrier, and gas mask bag and strap to the pic. Embarassed






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    Post by ladrang on Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:36 am

    Hi guys it s my 82 pattern webbing kit. I haven't add the gas mask bag, the bayonet and the entrenching tool. It s not in mint condition as mk1rceme (yours is really cool) mine has been used. Some parts are broken

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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by mk1rceme on Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:28 am

    New stuff is nice to look at but I would prefer your set since it was used...just adds that special something to it.

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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:46 am

    mk1rceme wrote:Here is my P82 webbing. First two pics is a complete battle order...minus the bayonet and the entrenching tool which make the webbing too heavy to hang up for display if it's not on a mannequin. All the parts except a couple connecting straps are NOS. The third pic is all my extra pieces plus another set haphazardly slapped together. Just noticed that I forgot to add the thermos and carrier, and gas mask bag and strap to the pic. Embarassed








    Hi mk1rceme.

    Thanks for sharing this webbing I've never seen this type before look's well cool Mate,look's like a hybrid of Alice,PLCE etc... Cool

    BTW- I have started a new topic in this section for Canadian equipment, it would be great to see kit like this,and possibly any other Canadian kit from the Gulf War Wink





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    Post by Easy Gee on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:49 am

    ladrang wrote:Hi guys it s my 82 pattern webbing kit. I haven't add the gas mask bag, the bayonet and the entrenching tool. It s not in mint condition as mk1rceme (yours is really cool) mine has been used. Some parts are broken

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    Hi Ladrang.

    Very nice webbing,again I've not seen this type before so thanks for sharing...very nice salty look to your webbing...nice one Mate Cool


    BTW- I have started a new topic in this section for Canadian equipment, it would be great to see kit like this,and possibly any other Canadian kit from the Gulf War you may have too post there Wink




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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by rob8066 on Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:45 am

    I still wear the 58 pattern belt at work as its 'ally'.

    Green PLCE was the standard webbing on Op Granby (Gulf War 1).

    The majority of the Engineers & rear echelon troops wore the 58 pattern webbing.

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    Post by Easy Gee on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:00 pm

    rob8066 wrote:I still wear the 58 pattern belt at work as its 'ally'.

    Green PLCE was the standard webbing on Op Granby (Gulf War 1).

    The majority of the Engineers & rear echelon troops wore the 58 pattern webbing.



    Aha,we must not forget the Ally aspect,I bet you don't have a half eaten Yorkie in your Ammo pouch,NOW that is Ally!! Laughing





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    Re: 58 Pattern Webbing

    Post by rob8066 on Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:26 am

    No I don't.

    The theory of having an FFD pouch tailored to your webbing to keep the emergency chocolate is good, but it never lasts that long.

    Fortunately the rat packs have greatly improved; trust me chocolate or bull beef at 40 degrees was not nice.

    Then add the flies.

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    Post by Easy Gee on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:51 pm

    rob8066 wrote:No I don't.

    The theory of having an FFD pouch tailored to your webbing to keep the emergency chocolate is good, but it never lasts that long.

    Fortunately the rat packs have greatly improved; trust me chocolate or bull beef at 40 degrees was not nice.

    Then add the flies.



    Hey Rob, Hot choclocate and self braised Beef don't sound that bad mate...not too sure about the Fly's though, mind you you'd be surprised how many minerals and carb's are in the average desert fly Laughing


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